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The difference between Bondage and Bonding.

 

WARNING:  This post has the potential to cause one’s eyes to glaze over!

 

     In my blog I usually strive to keep things from getting too “technical”----or too “risqué.”  I have wanted to do a post about the differences between “Main” Electrical Distribution Panels (the place where your main breaker is) and “Remote” Distribution panels----more commonly known as “Sub-Panels.  The main difference between the two----without getting too technical is how they are “bonded.”

     “Grounding” and “bonding” get thrown around casually sometimes as if there is no difference between the two.  In Residences “grounding” happens at the Main Electrical Distribution Panel and consists of the grounding conductor being connected to the Neutral/Ground bar and then to one or more of several options:  Ground Rods, Metal Water Pipes coming to the house, and/or Rebar in the foundation footings.

     Other metallic systems in the home will be “bonded” (connected) to these “grounded” parts of the system.  So if you have metal water pipes, or metal heating system pipes, or gas supply pipes, or cable/telephone systems in the home, these systems would all be connected mechanically (bonded) to the grounding conductor of the home.

     The critical thing to keep in mind about bonding and grounding is that at the Main Distribution Panel, the Neutral Wires (white wires) and the Equipment Ground Wires (bare copper---sometimes coated green wires) join together on the Neutral/Ground bar.  So in the Main Panel you will find all of these white and bare copper wires connected to the same termination bar.

     I really don’t want to get into the reasons why this is so in this post.  Just keep in mind that in a Remote Distribution Panel (sub-panel) the equipment ground wires and neutral wires cannot be joined together.  In fact even at switches and receptacles or anywhere else wires are brought together----the equipment ground wires and neutral wires must never be connected together.

     Now I will change my mind and tell you that the reason for this is that there is a small amount of current that always flows on the neutral wire in the normal operation of appliances etc and you do not want that current running on the bare ground wires----these wires are connected to things you might touch.

     So now let’s look at the electrical panel in the picture below.  On the left side of the picture we can see all the bare copper wires that are all the equipment ground wires.  There is one big honking one that comes in with the big black conductors from the Main Distribution Panel.  There is another big honking one that goes off to a gas pipe---out through the top of the panel.  There is a whole bunch of little ones from individual circuits.  Now aside from the fact that there are some issues with the way all of these bare ground wires are terminated in terms of the number of wires under each screw, the thing I want you to pay attention to is that they are all connected to their own little metal bar that is connected directly to the metal box itself.

     Now look at the big wire with the white tape like a barber pole.  That is the Neutral wire and notice how it is connected to the vertical neutral bar on the left side (the bottom end is visible below the breakers on the left side) and that there is a Crossover Arm connected to it that goes over to the vertical bar on the right side.  This is what we look for when we talk about the ground wires and the neutral wires being isolated from each other in a sub-panel.  All of the electrical components related to the Neutral wires are separated from the metal box with pieces of plastic----so they don’t touch each other.

 

Improperly wired Remote Distribution panel in Seattle

     But wait a minute captain----we have a problem.

     Can anyone see the problem?

     Take a look at that crossover arm that connects the left neutral bar to the right neutral bar.  Do you see that very pretty green screw?  That green screw is shipped with the panel, from the manufacturer, so that when the panel is going to be used as a main panel the Neutral bar can become a Neutral/Ground bar.  The screw is meant to be discarded when the panel is being used as a sub-panel---like this one is.  So in this installation we run the risk of running some amount of current onto all of those bare copper wires and to every thing they are connected to----including you if you touch them.  It is an unimaginably easy fix----the green screw merely needs to be removed----by the licensed electrical contractor.  But not to worry----if there is this defect, there will likely be others----to soften the electrician’s “minimum” service call.

     Now for all of those that are wondering when I am going to get to the bondage part-----ask Dr. Ruth----that is what Google is for.

 

Charles Buell

 

 

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Comments

Charles, what an exceptionally charged post. I just got back from an inspection and need to get my report out, but I will certainly be by a little later to read in depth. I really like the title, caught me a bit of guard and forced me to read despite other pressing demands at the moment.

Posted by Suesan Jenifer Therriault-Home Inspector Monroe County Pa - (570) 262-7551 (JTHIS-Professional Home Inspection Team) about 3 years ago

Thanks Suesan, I suspect that this post will "glaze" most people.  Sometimes I like to have this posts that I can link to from my reports----most of the time I prefer to keep them "interesting" to the masses:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 3 years ago

Hi Charles.  You do write some very interesting articles.  Thanks for all the explanation on this one!

Posted by Reba Haas and Team Reba, CDPE (Team Reba of RE/MAX Metro Eastside www.TeamReba.com) about 3 years ago

Thanks Reba

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 3 years ago

Charles, it's a little technical, but very well put for the laymen to understand it, great post. I'm going to reblog.

                   ~ Life is Good

Posted by Roy A. Peterson P.R.E.I. (Domicile Analysis of Texas) about 3 years ago

Thanks Roy----it can be a very difficult thing to get ones brain around.  I was kind of hoping that this panel with so little else going on it would help to clarify the issues.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 3 years ago

Mr Charles,

My great grandfather, Hemp-seed, used to work with Mr Hairy Houdini. In that capacity, he tied up a lot of people. This is a famous photo of Grandpa Hemp. The bondage was something he really enjoyed.

Nutsy

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 3 years ago

Wasn't there something the other day on your blog about the WWE and you and bondage?

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 3 years ago

Bondage? Dr. Ruth? ...ahhh, I get it.  (not really :-)

Great post...simply hair raising!

Posted by Jim Albano / North Jersey Real Estate Team - Jean-Marie Vantuno / Realtors® (Prudential Damiano Realty ) about 3 years ago

Thanks Charles! The green screw is something I was not aware of.

One thing that always drives me crazy on inspections is that so many circuits are wired just like this box... with many wires fastened under ONE SCREW, that was designed for only ONE WIRE  to be attached under it. Yet, it is something I see on nearly every inspection. I know it takes electricians more time to attach each wire to a separate screw, but it is still the right way to do it, to insure that all wires are making a proper connection. But I guess as long as there are lazy electricians out there, .... we will be in ungrounded bondage?

Posted by KEVIN CORSA H.I.S. Home Inspections Stark & Summit County, OH Home Inspector (H.I.S. Home Inspections (Summit, Stark Counties)) about 3 years ago

Hey Dad, I actually fell asleep five times before I finished reading this one.

Posted by Klee B. Patel about 3 years ago

Kevin, some manufactures allow for two Ground wires to be terminated under the same screw----but not neutrals or hots (usually).

Klee, you are ahead of me----if fell asleep more times than that just writing it:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 3 years ago

How about when the main panel is actually a sub panel and is wired as a main panel. Did you get that?

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) about 3 years ago

James----I want pictures:)  Sounds like a contradiction of terms.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 3 years ago

Mr Charles,

Under the standards of Nutsy, if a home is built "green" that green screw must be in the panel. No exceptions. It is a color coordination issue.

Nutsy at the keyboard

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 3 years ago

I imagine the same thing would go for you between two buns with relish on top?

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 3 years ago

Okay Charles- there you go scaring me again, so now I have a question?  I have two of those breaker box thingys.  One is in my house, one is in my workshop.  But if I turn off the main in the house I still have power in the workshop... so is it safe if they BOTH have the green screw?  I believe, but am not sure, that it's not a sub panel.

Posted by Tammy Lankford/Broker Lane Realty Lake Sinclair-Central GA about 3 years ago

Tammy, need more input:)  There can be a lot if variables that would affect my answer.  "Normally" unless there are separate meters one of the panels would be feeding the other.  Typically if there is more than one meter there would be disconnects at the meters and sometimes in the panels as well (though more often not).  If you want to take a bunch of pictures and send them to me privately I could probably tell you whether you needed to have an electrician (or your favorite home inspector) take a look at the set up or not.  You should NOT be taking any covers off though yourself:)  If you turn the main breaker in the shop off does the house go off too?  If so the one in the house would be a sub-panel.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 3 years ago

Charlie,  See my new blog.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) about 3 years ago

Charlie - I like being grounded and my word is my bond.  Not very neutral though.  Hope this is okay, should I ever be on a sub panel.

Posted by Jay Markanich - Northern VA Home Inspector (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 3 years ago

Okay Charles- I called my electrial friend who told me the workshop is a sub panel fed from outside and does not have the green screw.  I didn't take off the cover to look.  I just remembered seeing it when we wired the workshop (of course a real electrician wired it).  I don't touch that stuff.

Posted by Tammy Lankford/Broker Lane Realty Lake Sinclair-Central GA about 3 years ago

Jay, I have a feeling you heard "You are Grounded" a lot when you were a kid:)

Tammy---that sounds cool.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 3 years ago

Nice photo, with cool circles and arrows, and YAWN!!!!!!!! some good.........(dozing off now), information.

Good stuff!

Posted by Jack Feldmann (Clayton Inspection Service, Inc.) about 3 years ago

Jack---a nap is a good thing:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 3 years ago

Yep!  My spot - the corner beside the piano in the parlor.  Spent a lot of time there.

Posted by Jay Markanich - Northern VA Home Inspector (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) about 3 years ago

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