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Sometimes compromise is not a good thing!

     One thing that is universal about laundry rooms is that the walls behind washers and dryers are often trashed either from mechanical damage or hidden leaks----both past and present.  I can imagine what many buyers must think when they start to move in and find these conditions when they go to install their own washer and dryer.  The walls weren't visible when they looked at the property initially because the sellers appliances where installed and the inspector didn't notice (or couldn't see) the damage either.

    It is not too hard to understand the need for fire-rated walls between attached dwellings like condos and townhouses.  While the requirements have changed over the years and there are variations in the requirements from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, it is a good idea to look for problems related to the walls between these types of structures.  So, it is only logical that a possible place for the firewall to be compromised would be behind the washer dryer.

     These areas are very difficult to visually inspect unless you are fortunate enough to be 7 feet tall and can adequately lean over the units to have a look see.  Even that doesn't help if shelving is installed in the way above them.  I can usually get my camera in a position to shoot some "hail-Mary" photos of the area---often revealing all kinds of funs stuff from missing underwear to ruptured supply hoses and bad electrical connections.  Also, any damage to walls might be visible.

    This was the case in a Condo I inspected the other day.  Apparently in order for the appliances to be installed, and still allow for the bi-fold doors to close, there wasn't quite enough room behind the dryer to run the vent pipe.  The installer just cut away some of the drywall of the fire-wall between the two units.  Probably not the best solution, and it is another example of the breakdown that happens with overspecialization and/or lack of knowledge about the requirements of other trades.  (Translates to "job security" for me)

Compromise in fire-wall behind the dryer 

     A large percentage of house fires are involved with dryer venting.  For more information on this particular type of dryer foil vent pipe please visit my post: Slay the "Fire-Breathing Dryer!" 

Charles Buell

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20 commentsCharles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector • December 28 2008 03:20PM

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what were they thinging?  You should always cut out drywall in 4 foot sections so there are less seams for the next guy to repair, lol.

Posted by Robert May - Lethbridge REALTOR ® and Mortgage Broker (Verico Canada First Mortgage/ Rainbow Realty) over 3 years ago

Charles has that vent pipe actually changed colors from the heat or is that just a trick of shadows.  Either way I think someone needs to address this in the very near future.

Posted by Jack Gilleland (Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton) over 3 years ago

That is a good one.  That camera trick is also a neat tip.  I usually use my mirror but even then things can be tough to see.

And again, great title

Posted by Jim Allhiser Salem, Oregon Home Inspector (Perfection Inspection, Inc.) over 3 years ago

You are right.  There's often damage behind the dryer and washer.  And even more often the floor covering is damaged!

Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, CRS, GRI, e-PRO Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) over 3 years ago

Good catch Charlie. Behind the laundry appliances can be a no-man's land.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Robert---good point:)

Jack---just some trick photography!

Jim, the camera is a great extension of my own eyes----amazing what it can catch.

Barbara, too true----the floors take even more of a beating than the walls sometimes.

Steve, yup----they sure can be----good area to check carefully.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Your right about that.  If it's not visible you might get a big surprise once you start moving in. At that point there isn't a whole lot you can expect back from the seller.

Posted by Angelia Garcia (Pure Realtors) over 3 years ago

Good morning Charles, It is really amazing what destruction a goof ball with a sawzall can do. I often think that they leave their brains in the truck along side their lunch box...

Happy New Year

Posted by Michael Thornton - Nashville, TN area Home Inspector - 615.661.0297 (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.) over 3 years ago

I thought "sock heaven" was behind the washer and dryer. That's where I always find them -- LOL.

Best wishes for health, happiness, peace, and prosperity in 2009.

Posted by Jim Frimmer, Realtor and CDPE, Mission Valley, CA DRE #01458572 (Century 21 Award) over 3 years ago

Hi Charles, Ouch, ouch, ouch! I'm sure that as an inspector you pretty much see it all.  Thanks for sharing.

Posted by Sandy Shores, Broker-Associate Melbourne FL Real Estate M & M Real Estate Inc. (Brevard County Real Estate/ Melbourne & Palm Bay Real Estate) over 3 years ago

Angelia, yes---best to find it before.

Maybe we should start making "electric" drywall in crucial areas:)

Jim, yup---that is where most of the runaways end up.  Best wishes to you and Russel as well.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Charlie, The camera is like having a periscope. I use it the same way for a look see when you can't quite get your head and body into a tight spot.

The dryer vent hose is always something I look at during an inspection. New construction here requires smooth rigidpipe. No more flex ducts on dryers and for good reason.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 3 years ago

James, too true-----and with a little duct tape, a stick and the camera "timer function"----you can see into some difficult spaces:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Duct tape and a pole. Do you include chewing gum and string in that bag of tricks.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 3 years ago

James---at least I don't duct tape my camera to a squirrel:)  Nutsy is now flash blind!

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

re-blog- thanks in advance for information I can share with my clients.  be good  cheryl(never been behind a dryer)willis

Posted by Cheryl Willis, MO BROKER Mt Vernon, Monett, Aurora, Barry & Lawrence Co. (RE/MAX Solutions- OZARK MISSOURI) over 3 years ago

Cheryl (behind the hair dryer) Willis----glad you liked the post:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Charles, this has been a busy time and I am thrilled that the inspectors are allowing re-blogs- makes me look a lot smarter-  love you and the other boys.  cw

Posted by Cheryl Willis, MO BROKER Mt Vernon, Monett, Aurora, Barry & Lawrence Co. (RE/MAX Solutions- OZARK MISSOURI) over 3 years ago

Thanks, Chery, it took me a long time to discover that you could allow re-blogging "selectively"----I thought you could only allow it on all or none----I am a slow learner sometimes (even though I have to say I put that question out several times and no one ever got back to me:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

I think it is a neat tool to add to the blogging b/c it shows up in the outside blog and adds to the overall makeup of things a peer is interested in.  I am not in your business but may have a chance to add to conversation something you took the time to share.    be good  cw

Posted by Cheryl Willis, MO BROKER Mt Vernon, Monett, Aurora, Barry & Lawrence Co. (RE/MAX Solutions- OZARK MISSOURI) over 3 years ago

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