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This isn't even "remotely" correct!

     While all the defects associated with this installation will be over the heads of many of my Rainmates, I am sure all of the inspectors will appreciate the full extent of the problems with the installation----if it is fair to call it an "installation."

     This is someone's idea of a 30 amp Remote Distribution Panel (sub-panel) for a detached garage.  We have 240 volts protected in the house main panel with a 30 amp breaker.  The wire buried in the ground is #10-3WG NMB (code for "indoor") romex.  All of those nice shiny copper colored wires you see sticking out of the box are all live----just waiting for completion of the installation.  The 15 amp rated receptacle was "functional."

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     I will start a list of issues with this installation----I am sure someone will come up with others.

     1.  No proper panel box

     2.  No proper cover

     3.  Feeders not terminated with disconnect means (breakers/fuses)

     4.  Wrong wire

     5.  Wires not properly restrained

     6.  Exposed hot conductors

     7.  Improper access

     8.  Over-fused wires run from this junction

     All it really needs is a good electrician to redo the entire installation (and then the electrician could work on the rest of the wiring in the structure).

Charles Buell

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34 commentsCharles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector • December 18 2008 09:03AM

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Seems like someone is expecting a fire.

Posted by W. Darrell Walters - Envoy Mortgage Ltd over 3 years ago

Charles,

When electricians don't follow code, it is sad!  That could be dangerous!

Posted by Mary PAUL, ABR, CRS,GRI, e-PRO, (RE/MAX Advantage Realtors, Searcy, AR) over 3 years ago

Yikes... even as a non-electrician I can see problems with this box.   I love the two live wires, within what appears to be "arcing distance" and pointing at a nice metal thermos-mug...

very nice.

Posted by Alan May, Coldwell Banker Realtor® Evanston, Illinois & Northern Suburbs (847.425.3779 almay@aol.com) over 3 years ago

Mr Charles,

I thought part of the deal, my running your firm, was that I got to do the blogs too. Now I see you are doing them remotely. That is just not fair. I have much to say.

Nutsy

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

There are some scary things out there, aren't there?

Posted by Amy Hahn, REALTOR®, Crystal Coast, NC (Pine Knoll Shores Realty) over 3 years ago

More photos from your own house Charlie? I never saw anyone who would go to such destructive measures to get a colorful photo.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Looks like someones Uncle has been playing electrician again. At least they capped and taped the neutral.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 3 years ago

If you found anything else wrong it would be overkill.  Just trash it (technical term for the day) and start over.

Posted by Jack Gilleland (Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton) over 3 years ago

Darrell, my thoughts exactly

Mary, Unfortunately I don't think an electrician ever got near this

Alan, some things are just too obvious

Nutsy------you are nuts

Amy, there sure is

Steve, I  am kind of surprised you aren't willing to own up to this one

James, I think even Bubba would have done better

Jack, good idea:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

That looks like some very "custom" wiring.  It wasn't even a problem till you showed up!

Posted by Jim Allhiser Salem, Oregon Home Inspector (Perfection Inspection, Inc.) over 3 years ago

Jim, that is the way it usually is:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Charlie - what a shocking discovery!

Posted by Carol Culkin, Dutchess County (Century 21 Alliance Realty Group ) over 3 years ago

Gotta wonder what goes through the minds of the people who actually do work like this. (The movie Death Wish comes to mind).

Posted by KEVIN CORSA H.I.S. Home Inspections Stark & Summit County, OH Home Inspector (H.I.S. Home Inspections (Summit, Stark Counties)) over 3 years ago

Kevin, Do you mean Charles Bronson is going to come around the corner and shoot the person who wired this box.:O

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 3 years ago

Carol, electrical and shocking--------not good.

Kevin, sometimes a little information about something simply isn't enough

James, that would work:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

No, I think Charles Bronson would just make him stick his tongue on those exposed wires.

Posted by KEVIN CORSA H.I.S. Home Inspections Stark & Summit County, OH Home Inspector (H.I.S. Home Inspections (Summit, Stark Counties)) over 3 years ago

Yeah, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't find an electrician who did this - perhaps a homeowner playing like they were one, but that's about it.  Personally, I don't do my own electrical work for just these reasons.  I really don't want to be the reason my house burns down.

Posted by Reba Haas and Team Reba, CDPE (Team Reba of RE/MAX Metro Eastside www.TeamReba.com) over 3 years ago

Hey Charlie,

You sleeping in down there. Expected you to post something today.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

HOW DID YOU GET INTO MY GARAGE?!? or, I mean.... Yikes! SOME poor sap REALLY has a problem! ;) --James Wirth

Posted by James Wirth over 3 years ago

Kevin, maybe that is what Nutsy the wire expert should do:)

Steve-----have I ever told you how much I hate laptops?  Too difficult to do and not much time-----you will have to get on without me:)

James, I am sorry if this looks like your garage too----but it is really Steve Smith's garage after he made repairs.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Charlie,

When I am away from my computer I have really messed up typing. Really a hassle in Italy where some keys are different on the keyboard.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Are you finding this weather is causing people to cancel their home inspections?  I figure YOU can gett there...but how about the buyers?  Off-topic question :)

Posted by ARDELL DellaLoggia (Sound Realty) over 3 years ago

If it's functional, no harm, no foul...  It must be okay, I don't see any blood.

Oh, and both reds are on the same side.  You are being very, very picky.

Posted by Jay Markanich - Northern VA Home Inspector (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 3 years ago

Ardell, that is a very good question----I may get to find out the answer to that on Monday:)

Jay, that is me-----Mr Picky:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Charlie,

Up here in Bellingham I think the answer is that pre-scheduled inspections are going but business is pretty slow as far as booking. People are not exactly out cruising around with realtors right now.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Dear Mr Charles,

I am very proud. I have solved the transportation issues and your firm is out inspecting again. The only problem is I cannot take the extension ladder.

Your interim manager,

Nutsy

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

It's really scary to see what some people will do just to save a few dollars. Buyers and their agents should appreciate the work of inspectors like yourself to identify these issues and help educate the public.

Posted by John Novak - Las Vegas and Henderson NV Real Estate (Keller Williams Realty The Marketplace) over 3 years ago

Nutsy----you better not freeze your butt to that thing again.

John, thanks, I think most inspectors take this job pretty seriously.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Charles, Looks like who ever did this job parked their brains out in the back 40! Shouldn't that outlet also be GFCI protected? Makes my head hurt when I see this type of crap...

**** Merry Christmas ****

Posted by Michael Thornton - Nashville, TN area Home Inspector - 615.661.0297 (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.) over 3 years ago

Michael, I am sure that somewhere in the whole mess a GFCI is also missing

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Charles

Seen you poped in and out of my blog today.

So I came by to say

to you, and your family, hope Y'all had a real fine day.

Posted by New Hampshire Home, Events & Relocation Information by Dale-God Bless America (Baker Energy Audits and Commercial Properties Inspections ) over 3 years ago

Dale, thanks for stopping by here, and I hope you had a nice Christmas today and have a Happy New Year.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Mr Charles,

I am now working parttime at Denny's, not sure where I am but please send my money so I can blow this joint, wherever it is. I am ready to explode.

Nutsy

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

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Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

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