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Do you have parts that need support?

     Well support comes in all shapes and sizes.  There is moral-support, child-support, spousal-support, support-hose, military-support, and athletic-support-----we can all use a little support here and there.  This is about "foundation-support" and how without enough of it, bad things can happen.  Not always "REALLY" bad things----as in this case----but perhaps bad enough to make the floors springy or squeak; or for doors to not close properly.  In some cases, all it might mean is that all of one's marbles would run to the same place.

     Many homes that have crawl spaces have support posts spaced along central carrying beams.  These posts, depending on the spans and sizes of beams, might be anywhere from 4 to 10 feet apart.  Modern requirements call for these support posts to be attached at the top and the bottom.  The concrete footing for the support post in the following picture is out of sight under the plastic ground cover.  We can clearly see that it is not attached at the bottom----in fact the post is ¾" from touching anything. 

Support post 

     Looks like it is time to bring out the "lumber-stretcher" and make that post long enough to make contact with the footing and then we can properly attach it.  Again, this is brand new construction----the contractor hasn't even packed up his truck yet----better get him back down here.

Charles Buell  

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59 commentsCharles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector • November 15 2008 10:08AM

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Oh my-- that looks pretty dangerous. Bet you run into everything in your business.

Posted by Benjamin Realty LLC over 3 years ago

This is a great example of why even a new construction should be reviewed by a qualified home inspector.  I like the standards of ASHI and the quality of their members.

Posted by WEICHERT, REALTORS® - Synergy over 3 years ago

Bob & Carolin, I wouldn't call this so much "dangerous" as an oversight.  Pretty easy to fix.  This kind of defect would likely only be noticed in years to come after the beam settled---if it did.  I think it is a good example of where an inspector might alarm people unnecessarily :)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Martin, as a Certified Member of ASHI I agree with you, and I don't want to get into a "tiff" with any of the other associations, so just let me add that there are lots of great inspectors in many of the associations (including NAHI & InterNACHI)----there are also lots of bad inspectors in all of them as well.  In some respects you still have to be "lucky" to find a good inspector, and I think word of mouth by happy buyers and agents is still the best resource.  All of their Standards of Practice are virtually identical.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

That builder may have been planning to come back and fix it but you and I doubt it, don't we? 

Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, CRS, GRI, e-PRO Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) over 3 years ago

Can a metal or wood brace be added here?  Measure twice, cut once.  LOL

Posted by Competitive Insurance of Dundee over 3 years ago

Barbara, I suspect he was planning on shoving a ski under it on his way to Vale:)

Randall, there are ways to properly shim the post or simply replace it.  It obviously isn't supporting very much so there is little danger in taking it out and putting a new one in and then properly attaching it top and bottom.  The builder would still make his flight out of town no doubt:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Man how unsafe-lucky you found this.  It looks pretty unsafe.  Great job.

Posted by Pat Champion (Coldwell Banker Camelot Realty) over 3 years ago

Wow Charles, "floating" support. What will they think of next? Hard to see how they missed this one. But you didn't.

Posted by Gary Woltal - Assoc. Broker REALTOR® SFR Dallas Ft. Worth (Keller Williams Realty) over 3 years ago

Hi Charles, isn't that new type of pier and beam system there doing today called a Floating Foundations.

 

 

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Posted by Roy A. Peterson P.R.E.I. (Domicile Analysis of Texas) over 3 years ago

Pat, as I said in an earlier comment, this is not so "unsafe" as merely something that should be addressed to prevent possible problems down the road.  "Eventually" the floor system is likely to sag until the post makes contact with the footing.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Gary, now if they can find a way to market the idea:)

Roy, was that why I had a "squeaky" voice when I came out of the crawl space?---the house was floating on helium?

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

I'm sure the house will settle enough in the first year to be in contact with the ground. It will be fine. LMAO

Posted by Scott Baker- Home Inspection South & Southeast King County (Pillar to Post® Professional Home Inspections) over 3 years ago

Charles, I brought this to the attention of a contractor one time and he told me it was to lend support when the house settled (with a straight face).

Posted by Paul Henderson, Broker, Realtor® Tacoma,Gig Harbor,DuPont,HartstenePointe (RE/MAX Professionals & Four Seasons Inc.) over 3 years ago

Sure is a good thing the buyers had you check the place out before the builder was done!  Some corners should not be cut!

Posted by Jim & Maria Hart ~ Charleston, SC Real Estate (Brand Name Real Estate) over 3 years ago

Scott, yup:)

Paul, you mean that is not true?:)  Actually, with dimensional lumber beams you can have crowns that do need to be taken out----but you take them out at the time of installation not wait for it to happen on its own latter.  I will do a blog about this.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Jim & Maria, some posts should not be cut---improperly:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Charles .... That is obviously a "settlement support post" designed to be used once the home settles into place.

Sean Allen

Posted by International Financing Solutions over 3 years ago

Sean, does this mean that one would find these support posts at Home Depot in the "Prophylactic Support" isle?

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Mr Charles,

Your effort to repair that issue with bearing, by leaving your fluke voltage tester under it, is not a professional repair. I hope you know that. Fact is, that post still does not have proper bearing. I hope you told your clients that, instead of making them think you fixed it. My boss would have never repaired it that way because he is too cheap to leave his tester behind.

Your critic,

Nutsy,

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Nutsy, while you have learned "some" important things about your boss, you should get him to tell you about your predecessor that is stilldown in a crawl space somewhere with his leg under a similar support post.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

I like Roy's conclusion....new concept called floating foundation. Again Mr. Home Inspector to the rescue, thank goodness.

Posted by CARL & CEIL WINTERS Canyon Lake/New Braunfels /San Antonio (Complete Inspection Service) over 3 years ago

Well, you had me with the title, Charles.  But the pic is an eye catcher, too.  I also enjoyed some of the comments.  Esp from the squirrel in the blue windbreaker.

Posted by Margaret Mitchell, York Maine Real Estate (Coldwell Banker Yorke Realty) over 3 years ago

Carl & Ceil, thanks for the comment.

Margaret, don't you just love those "double entendre" titles?:)  The squirrel is quite a "windbreaker" and you really don't want to be around when he does:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Dear Mr Charles,

If you were an observant inspector you would know that I am not wearing a windbreaker. That is my crawl space attire. It is full rain gear and it was costly to get it in my size.

Your critic,

Nutsy

PS, I hope you can recognize my attire below. That is my pilgrim outfit for Thanksgiving.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Nutsy, I never said anything about your wearing a windbreaker I just said you are a windbreaker:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Charles,

I believe these post are found at Lowes, not Home Depot.

Sean Allen

Posted by International Financing Solutions over 3 years ago

Sean, thanks for the Lowes-down on that:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

A good inspector, with good intentions, would have corrected that mis-statement.

Nutsy,

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Is that rodent beginning to annoy anyone else? He seems to be popping up in a whole lot of posts lately.

Posted by KEVIN CORSA H.I.S. Home Inspections Stark & Summit County, OH Home Inspector (H.I.S. Home Inspections (Summit, Stark Counties)) over 3 years ago

Charlie, I see this kind of thing so much now days on new houses.

Kevin, Squirrels are annoyingby nature. We have to be tolerant or have a barbecue.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 3 years ago

Mr Kevin has no idea how annoying I could be, if he makes me mad. Ooops....what happened to that darn cable three minutes before the Super Bowl?  Hmmmm....only Nutsy knows.

No brag, just fact,

Nutsy

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

I have a riddle for you. 

How does Nutsy feel when a car goes whizzing by?

He just feels "tired!"

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

I hope that Mr James invites me to his barbecue. I love smoked morsels.

James' new best friend (hint, hint)

Nutsy

Certifried home inspector assistant

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Mr. Nutsy,

You are more than welcome to come to a barbecue. In fact you will the main cou....er guest of honor. I think I will ask Charlie B. and his assistant as well. By the way bring all your family and friends. You can never have to much food.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 3 years ago

James,

On behalf of Nutsy, I know that he really appreciates your offer. He is wondering what delectable dishes you will be serving.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

James, sounds like a great party. 

Steve, I suggest you let Nutsy be surprized:)Raven DeCroe

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Charlie, I think surprise is the right word. Boy will he ever be!

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 3 years ago

Charles I'm sure the contractor just didn't notice it.  Easy thing to overlook as long as you don't walk to close or bump it.

Posted by Jack Gilleland (Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton) over 3 years ago

I am so ready for this big event. I even bought a new wardrobe so I can help Mr James flip the tender morsels he has committed to serving the guests. I am so pleased and surprised.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Nutsy you cannibal you----I knew that was true of the rats with no hair on their tails----but you?  Say it isn't so!

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Mr Charles,

Now that Mr James and I are bound at the hip, best buddies, do you think it would be okay with him if I was to call him Mr. Jimmie Q? Just wondering what you think. He did invite me and the clan to the barbecue so I think he wants to get to better know the family and all.

Nutsy

Certifried Home Inspection Assistant

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

I think I want to show up at this feast with a camera just to watch the fur fly!!! 

Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, CRS, GRI, e-PRO Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) over 3 years ago

Barbara, I am sure that with any good Squirrel-B-Q there will be lots of left overs for Raven and her friends that will be flying in for the occasion.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Barbara, I am sure that with any good Squirrel-B-Q there will be lots of left overs for Raven and her friends that will be flying in for the occasion.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

"Mugsy"Mugsy would like an invite too. He says he will bring the fruit. I, for one can't wait to see Nusty scurrying for "morsels".

Posted by KEVIN CORSA H.I.S. Home Inspections Stark & Summit County, OH Home Inspector (H.I.S. Home Inspections (Summit, Stark Counties)) over 3 years ago

Here's a couple of Ravens kin picking up their invitations for the barbecue. Crows love tasty barbecued morsels. Better than eating road killed squirrel.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 3 years ago

Must be what the Raven is Cravin' !!

Posted by KEVIN CORSA H.I.S. Home Inspections Stark & Summit County, OH Home Inspector (H.I.S. Home Inspections (Summit, Stark Counties)) over 3 years ago

Mugsy is certainly be a welcome addition to the party---he is not a vegetarian is he?

James, I suspect the entire Murder of Ravens from the area will attend

Kevin, too hard to pass up

 

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

I am laughing with you people, although I think most of the posts on here are plain not funny at all.

Your bud Nutsy

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Mr Charles and Mr James,

I believe that, instead of the chef outfit, I will fly to Connecticut for Mr James barbecue wearing this outfit. That way, when Mr. James picks me up at the airport, he will be able to recognize me. Do you fine gentlemen think this would be an appropriate themed outfit for the barbecue.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

That assistant of mine has kind of the General Custer look. Not sure I want him at the barbecue with James.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

All he is missing is an arrow:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Charlie, You forgot, he also needs to be scalped. Can't eat em with the fur on.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 3 years ago

Nutsy is offended and so am I. You two took his good natured spoof seriously. It must be hard to buy food in Seattle and CT, you guys are pretty desperate. I hope James can accommodate all of Nutsy's friends and family at his big event.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Steven, Check out this baby. I am waiting anxiously for it to arrive, unfortunately it's on back order. This grill should be more than able to accommodate Nutsy and his big family. Lots of room for friends and family.

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 3 years ago

James, you are supposed to take out the arrow first:)

nutsy

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

Sick humor you guys. Nutsy is doubly offended by this.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Steve, sorry---didn't realize he got shot twice:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

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