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I ain't talkn' to no stinkn' HVAC Contractor!

     This is another one of those posts about how the trades don't talk to each other.  We have become so compartmentalized in the building trades that I am wondering how it is possible to get anything right.  I think a certain amount of basic info about all of the other trades should be incorporated into the training for each individual trades. 

     Otherwise we end up with plumbers that would install new plumbing like this installation.

Access to the furnace prevented by plumbing  

     I don't think it is possible----or at least will be very difficult----to get this burner out of the furnace for repairs or servicing.  A different configuration of fittings could have allowed for both trades to do their job, but because the plumber didn't know the requirements of the Heating Contractor, didn't care, or hadn't had his coffee yet, they have made the job of the Heating Contractor very difficult.  Whatever the reason----the Heating Contractor is not going to be very happy.

     Perhaps all trades should be required to take a basic Home Inspector Training Course ---ROR rots of ruck

Charles Buell  

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Comment balloon 23 commentsCharles Buell • September 24 2008 10:13PM

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Yikes. 

I recently found one where the water heater was installed behind a wall with a shower enclosure on the other side, and the sewer pipe running up the other side, backed into a corner of the concrete foundation.  The only way to replace that sucker... well, I have no idea how you'd ever replace it without removing the shower to do so!! 

Posted by Joel Weihe, Helping you to use your VA home loan benefits (Realty World Alliance) about 10 years ago

Oh wait, I have another one!

New build - We extended the deck 10 feet along the home, to end just before the door to the mid-level walkout.  Deck dudes didn't talk to electricians, electricians didn't talk to deck dudes.  I don't know who installed what first, but what we ended up with was the patio light for the walkout sitting on top of the deck. 

Posted by Joel Weihe, Helping you to use your VA home loan benefits (Realty World Alliance) about 10 years ago

Sheree, I think I could post a different instance of these kinds of things for ever.  They would eventually start to duplicate by different people:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) about 10 years ago

That is fairly standard in cold climates. The plumber is able to stay warm while snaking out the drain pipes. Makes total sense. Surprised you did not pick up on that.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham WA Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc.) about 10 years ago

Charles, I think this is a case of I did my job - not my problem if the next guy can't do his. Problem is, it ends up costing the homeowner in the end. Apparently this plumber doesn't work on referrals!

Posted by Jim Albano, Team - Jean-Marie Vantuno / Realtors North Jersey Real Estate (Prudential Damiano Realty ) about 10 years ago

AAHHH yes Grasshopper----very good!

Jim, yup----another form of miniturized homeowner "bail-out":)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) about 10 years ago

It would be nice if all the contractors on one job would take into consideration the others job on the project. There would be less problems.

Posted by Terri Kincaid (ERA Brokers Consolidated) about 10 years ago

Charles, please keep posting these kinds of pictures. This stuff cracks me up.

Posted by John Morrison, Exclusive Buyernulls Agent, CBR - Boston Area Real Estate (Buyer's Choice Realty) about 10 years ago

Terri, it is a nice dream:)

John, no shortage of photo opps

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) about 10 years ago

Dang Charles! Quit being so damn picky! Bubba sez Just get a sawzall and whack off the pipe when you need to service the furnace then glue the pipe back together when you are done... BTW is that ABS glued into a PVC adapter???

Posted by TeamCHI - Complete Home Inspections, Inc., Home Inspectons - Nashville, TN area - 615.661.029 (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.) about 10 years ago

Charles, how do you know it wasn't the heating guy who came last? Maybe he didn't feel like pushing that furnace any further than he had to. LOL

Posted by Kevin Corsa, H.I.S. Home Inspections, Stark & Summit County, OH Home Inspector (H.I.S. Home Inspections (Summit, Stark Counties)) about 10 years ago

all I can say Charles is 'Wow" !   I used to work for a heating company and when that tech comes to service that unit he is going to be PISSED, to say the least, lol.   Have a great day :)

Posted by Kara Casamassina, Boomers and beyond (International Property Management Group, LLC) about 10 years ago

Very creative... you just wonder what was the thought process when the persons "figured" this was the terrible great way to do this. ~Rita

Posted by Brian Burke, Broker & Advising Expert-Denver Luxury Real Estate (Kenna Real Estate) about 10 years ago

Hey Charlie, Maybe the plumber had a liquid lunch that day!

Posted by Carol Culkin, Overland Park (Reece & Nichols) about 10 years ago

You are one stubborn old blogger Charlie B

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham WA Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc.) about 10 years ago

Michael, good eyeball---but it is a huge galvy adaptor with a thread-in abs.

Kevin, furnace is too old to have not been there first:)

Kara, I can't imagine the heating guy being very happy.

Rita----no clue

Carol, that sounds about right

Steve, what the heck are you talking about?

 

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) about 10 years ago

Are you kidding add a couple of 45 sweeps to the cost of that job.  Wow, you think those plumbers are made of money?  Charles, I seriously doubt if the plumber even thought about it.  I was raised in a family full of plumbers and some of them would have said , "What furnace?"

Posted by Jack Gilleland (Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton) about 10 years ago

Jack of course I know you are right:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) about 10 years ago

thanks for the education, imagine a world of peers that actually thought what about the next guy trying to do his job.  Looks like you are getting enough good pictures to do a book.  cw

Posted by Cheryl Willis, MO Broker - Mt Vernon, Monett, Aurora, Barry & Law (RE/MAX Solutions- OZARK MISSOURI) about 10 years ago

LOL, you are very kind to say the plumber "didn't know" the requirements.  In fact I'll bet big bucks he just didn't care (and most likely had a good laugh about it).  Plumbers are at the top of the pecking order on the job site, a position they love to flaunt.  In my own house when it was being built the plumber just drilled the hole for a waste pipe without even looking where the wall below was (he missed by 6 inches).  The general contractor just built a wierd enclosure around it rather than have him move it; it cracks me up.

Posted by Ray Toscani (1st Choice Inspection Services Ltd.) about 10 years ago

Cheryl, I am thinking about it:)----does anyone read books anymore?

Ray, what you say is so true and why I created this:  Plumbers and sawzalls

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) about 10 years ago

Some contractors do not need a course in home inspection.  They need a course in common sense and how to apply it.  We see many things during inspections that a little common sense would have prevented.  But then, we may be out of a job if it continues.  As a friend of mine states, "Common sense is rarely put into common practice."

Posted by Denny McAuley (Home Check America Inspection Services) about 10 years ago

Denny, while the "idea" of common sense is appealing----it always seems relative to ones education.  Generally the things we think people lack "common sense" about looks more like "arrogance" to me:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections Inc.) about 10 years ago

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