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Well, that's a “no-brainer”------

     Inspectors and agents get to see LOTS of houses. 

     While it is fun to pick on the "defects" of homes for blog fodder, there are many times that it would be fun to share some of the really cool stuff we see as well.  In this post I will show a comparison of "good" and "bad" electrical panels.  In a recent New Construction I came across an electrical panel that when someone opens it in 30 years they will be as impressed as I was---unless Bubba gets his hands on it first.  This thing was a work of art----showing that there are indeed still trade-persons that care about what they are doing---more of a "Buddha" than a "Bubba".  While most electricians do a pretty good job with the initial installation, it is subsequent additions to the panel that usually violate the original electricians work---including spraying the interior of panel with paint.

     First I will show a picture of a panel that, for the most part, looks the way that it did when it was installed----with very few newer additions.  Inspectors can scratch their heads for quite a while trying to sort out a mess like this.  We can expect to find lots of other issues besides the visual "chaos."  I once had a Jurisdictional Electrical Inspector tell me that "neatness" counts for a lot---they know they don't have to check very hard if the work is neat/orderly.

messy panel

Here is a list of some of the things we are commonly interested in---inside the electrical panel (I am sure some of the other inspectors out their will be able to add to the list.): 

  1. Incoming wire size

  2. Panel amperage rating (size)

  3.  Size of Main Breaker

  4.  Split-Bus type panel

  5.  Type of wires---aluminum or copper

  6.  Multi-wire circuits improperly wired

  7.  Anti-oxidant paste on aluminum wire connections

  8.  Wire size/breaker size not proper

  9.  Panel Bonding

 10. Re-identified conductors

 11. Missing handle ties

 12. Damaged wires

 13. Bare wires (ones that shouldn't be)

 14. Double taps on breakers

 15. Double taped neutrals

 16. Double taped neutrals and grounds

 17. Breaker types that don't match panel type

 18. Missing knock-outs

 19. Rusting/Corroding components/connections

 20. Loose connections

 21. Missing connectors where wires enter box

 22. Arcing conditions

 23. Over-fused wires

 24. Breakers turned off

 25. Breakers "tripped" off

 26. Low voltage transformers inside panel

 27. Missing lock-out devices

 28. Debris in panel

 29. Inside of panel painted

 30. Vermin entry

 31. Water intrusion

      I think you get the picture of why when the panel is a mess, it makes our job very difficult----sometimes impossible.  Then we have to defer the whole mess to a licensed electrical contractor.

     Here was yesterday's "Buddha Award" winner:

neat panel

      Now while both panels had defects----which would you rather have to inspect---kneel down in front of?

Charles Buell 

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Comments

Wow! I can't believe the difference between one panel and the other. I guess this is something I always take for granted...because they all generally look like #1.
Posted by Vickie Nagy, 925-407-7987 Broker for San Ramon, Danville, Dublin, Pleasanton (Vickie Nagy, Broker Associate BMC Real Estate DRE#01363932) about 4 years ago

Pictures are worth a thousand words. They just kept installing layer after layer of wiring?

Posted by Blogger To Be Named Later about 4 years ago

Vickie, fortunately they aren't as bad as my first picture toooo often:)

Andrew, unfortunately these "layers" tend to hide as oppose to enrich:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago

Goodness!   Only a mixed up artist who likes action would like the first box!  And guess who liked it enough to photograph it!  : )

Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, CRS, GRI, e-PRO Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) about 4 years ago

Barbara, the panel was installed at about the time of Jackson Pollock:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago

Give me the link to your paintings again.  I'm going to look again.

Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, CRS, GRI, e-PRO Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) about 4 years ago

Barbara---here you go: http://www.buellinspections.com/art.html

 

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago

Charles, believe it or not, there is no minimum hieght requirement for panels here in TN. Only a maximum and that is that the main breaker cannot be more than 6'-6" off the ground.

Posted by Michael Thornton - Nashville, TN area Home Inspector - 615.661.0297 (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.) about 4 years ago

Wow there is always going to be a noticable difference in some one who works for a living and someone who takes there job seriously, works with pride and has love for there work.... Great post.....

Posted by Frank Marta | Texas Home Loan Specialist (Nuhome Group, LLC - Houston Tx|Mortgage Broker| 713-373-0345) about 4 years ago

Michael, same here----fortunately electricians don't like to bend over---so they aren't usually too low:)

Frank, you are so right

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago

While the first panel is the most common in older homes, I occasionally run into even nicer ones than the second one.  There is an electrician working in Ferndale whos panels are always perfect; exact right angles on the bends, plenty of room, no debris.  I've talked to the contractor who hires him and learned that he is just as fast as other sparkies, but is very neat.  It only goes to show that it doesn't take any longer to do things right as it does to do them wrong.  Factor in the redo and it takes a lot longer to do them wrong.  This applies to all aspects of building, not just electrical.

Posted by David Helm, Bellingham, Wa. Licensed Home Insp (Helm Home Inspections) about 4 years ago

Charlie,

No fears. Your panel is still as pretty as any I have seen even up here in Whatcom County. Quit your sobbin'.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago

David, it is a good thing for electricians to be anal:)

Steve, you have to get out more;)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago

I think it might look better with a brunette or a blond wig. Still darn pretty though. You should be proud of that one. Who needs to go out looking when you can find one that good.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago

Steve, the grass may be greener on the other side of the fence---but you might not be able to tell it is also poisonous.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago
HHHHmmm, The second panel looks pretty clean and neat, much more understandable. Sean Allen
Posted by International Financing Solutions about 4 years ago

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