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Why is there a BARGE on my roof?

     The fascia board on the Gable end of a home is called a "barge rafter".  Often these rafters extend past the eaves to create a place to hide the end of the gutter or as a decorative element.  It is important that the top edge be properly flashed with either roofing materials or a metal flashing to prevent decay/rot in the ends of the rafter.  This first picture shows good examples of nicely capped barge rafters (foreground and background).barge rafters

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

NOTE:  the Beautiful Blue Seattle Sky

     This next picture shows what will happen if it is not properly capped.barge rafters

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

      In this case more than the end is deteriorated and most likely the whole rafter will need to be replaced.  Fortunately the roof needs replacement as well, which will make replacement of the rafter easier---and should be replaced in conjunction with the roof replacement (these rafters are very difficult to replace without removing the roofing above it).

      If the ends of the rafters on your home are not properly capped it is a pretty simple thing to fix and can save a lot of costly repairs later on.

Charles Buell

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Comments

hhhmm,That is interesting. At least it is safe to say that these "barges" don't have to worry about sinking.

Sean Allen

Posted by International Financing Solutions about 4 years ago

Hi Charles,

I can see us all running around checking to see if our barge rafters are nicely capped!!!  Thank you for the information.  Maybe you should give us a check sheet.

Posted by Leslie Bloss, Bellevue Real Estate Professional about 4 years ago
Hi Charles - speaking of flashing - the subdivision I live in has cement tile roofs.  Just this year some of us are getting leaks within the walls after rain (we don't get much rain, so that is why it took 5 years to notice the problem).  The original roofing contractor did not put any flashing up there.  All of these homes need the roofs redone.  The expense, about $1200 for most, is not bad, but the interior damage is bad on some - that is the expense.  It rained on my Christmas tree!  Another reason for a home inspection.
Posted by Virginia Hepp - Mesquite NV MLS - Sun City Mesquite - 55+ Buyer Representative (ERA - Mesquite NV Homes For Sale) about 4 years ago
Charles - I have been told I should get new gutters.  I wonder if the leaf guard type are any good?
Posted by HOPE Lending LLC about 4 years ago

Sean, that "barge" was so wet it probably wouldn't float:)

Leslie, so how did they look?

Virginia, flashing details are often lacking in many locations around the home.

Melissa, I don't know which one you are looking at, but some are better than others. I personally like this one.  I see a lot of these in this area and have yet to see any that were clogged.  I think in really really heavy rains a certain amount of run-by could be expected with all of the different brands.  I will try to do a blog on this soon.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago
Good post and beautiful blue sky over there Charles. You are right in the "devil being in the details". Improper flashing is the number one reason for wood rot anywhere in the roofing system.
Posted by Michael Thornton - Nashville, TN area Home Inspector - 615.661.0297 (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.) about 4 years ago
Another good post with great pics as examples.  Thanks for sharing.
Posted by Joseph Lang - Southern California Home Inspector (Pillar To Post Professional Home Inspection) about 4 years ago

Michael, I saw a contractors truck with lettering that said:  "We are attention to detail"

Joseph---no shortage of stuff to share is there!

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago
Charles, I looked back through your posts and am admiring your photographs.  What camera do you use and are you also a photography expert! : )
Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, CRS, GRI, e-PRO Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) about 4 years ago
Barbara, definitely wouldn't call myself a "photography expert"---but I do like it a lot---got hooked in college.  I have a Fugi S5700.  Very economical inspection camera.  At around 200 bucks with a 10X zoom and a focus to within 1" it is hard to beat.  I go through a couple a year, banging around in crawl spaces and such.  I have actually had my current one a year---but I am due.  I take between 350 and 450 pictures per inspection (it is my sole note taking tool).  Four double A batteries will last more than four house with every picture a flash picture.  Battery life is crucial to me in a camera.
Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago
I'll check one out for myself possibly.  I have a large Sony Mavica that I've had for a long time.  I'm thinking I need a little point and shoot type for quick shots and no trouble carrying.  Thanks for the infor.
Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, CRS, GRI, e-PRO Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) about 4 years ago

Charlie,

That is one of those over and over and over agains.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago
That was a very useful post, Charles.  Good photos as well.
Posted by Brian Schulman - Your Lancaster County, PA Real Estate Expert (Coldwell Banker Select Professionals, Lancaster PA) about 4 years ago
Nice to see an inspector who actually knows something about roofs, the ones in our area evaluate from the ground. 
Posted by Kathleen Lordbock Keller Williams Realty Brainerd Lakes ( KW REALTOR/Staging & Short Sale Specialist) about 4 years ago
  The first thing we learn in the Seattle area is, it rains, and the rain has to go somewhere. This is still my top priority when looking at a sellers home. What's dry, what's not, and how does it get from roof to ground. Great photos.
Posted by Kim Harris-Broker/Owner/Sound Realty (Sound Realty) about 4 years ago
Great illustration of how to do it correctly and what happens in the event it is not flashed properly.  I haven't seen these types of barge rafters, but perhaps, I really did and didn't know what they were.  Thanks for this informative information. 
Posted by Joan Whitebook Southern New Hampshire (BHG The Masiello Group) about 4 years ago
I learned something on ActiveRain today! ;) 
Posted by Michelle DeRepentigny, *Associate Broker * Broker * Athens, GA (KELLER WILLIAMS REALTY Greater Athens) about 4 years ago
Good info, I don't think many builders use "barge rafters" here in Atlanta but, now I'll keep my eye out. :)
Posted by Heather Stanton (STARATE Associates) about 4 years ago
Great Advice Charles, I'm in Portland and read a lot of inspection reports, but have never come across a Barge Rafter before. Well now I've got to go out and find one! Thank, Keith
Posted by Keith Berne, Real Estate Broker, Realtor, GRI (RE/MAX Equity Group, Inc.) about 4 years ago
Something to be concerned about. I'm having a home inspected this week. I'll keep my eye open.
Posted by Robert L. Brown~Grand Rapids Real Estate Bellabay Realty, West Michigan (www.mrbrownsellsgr.com) about 4 years ago
Thanks.  Great information
Posted by Anonymous about 4 years ago

Steve----ditto ditto ditto ditto

Brian, thanks,

Kathleen,  It is difficult to see what is really going on with a roof from the eaves let alone the ground!

Kim, thanks for the comment, can we say "Activerain?"

Joan, where they do extend past the roof is very common here---perhaps some of the other inspectors will report back as to the prevalence in other parts of the country.

Michele, thanks for taking a look.

Heather, let me know if you see one float by:)

Keith, hard to imagine that you don't have at least as many as we do.

Robert, thanks for stopping by.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago
Congratulations on the featured blog!!
Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, CRS, GRI, e-PRO Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) about 4 years ago

Thanks Barbara----I just Barged right in:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago
I am happy that you are the home inspector and not I
Posted by Richard Lecinski (Long Realty Company) about 4 years ago
That's a great tip... Thanks!
Posted by Kevin Hancock - The Hancock Mortgage Team (The Legacy Group; Capital/Mortgage/Escrow) about 4 years ago
Great pictures Charles. Those barge rafters rot quite quickly around here if they are not installed properly.
Posted by Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Wayne B. Pruner, Realtor, GRI (Oregon First) about 4 years ago
oh wow.  Interesting
Posted by Ryan Vivo, NRBA Realtor Solano County Gateway Realty 707-384-5894 (Gateway Realty) about 4 years ago
Didn't know the word barge in this context until reading your post. Thanks for sharing.
Posted by Benjamin Realty LLC about 4 years ago

Good posting, Charles, and a Beautiful Blue Sky, In Seattle of all places. The media tells us it is always raining there. A second lesson to be learned. Don't believe everything we hear. Grin

Have a great day!

Hal

Posted by Harold (Hal) Place (A1 Connection Realty, Inc.) about 4 years ago
Charles, I'm glad someone else can get in trouble beside me for telling the truth about it not raining in Seattle all the time LOL!
Posted by Seattle Real Estate|Colleen Fischesser| |Short Sale Specialist|So King County (RE/MAX Select R.E | Designated Broker/Owner) about 4 years ago
Ewwww....that looked gross. It definitely pays to have things done right so you can avoid rot and decay at all costs. I loved the blue sky. It was beautiful!
Posted by Christy Powers - Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent (Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners) about 4 years ago
Charles - Thank you for replying with a lead on good gutters.  I'll keep an eye out for when you have a post on something similar.
Posted by HOPE Lending LLC about 4 years ago

Richard and Kevin, thanks for stopping by.

Wayne, I find too many of these rotted rafter ends to count.

Ryan, thanks for stopping by

Bob & Carolin, there are an amazing bunch of construction words that have strage meanings out of context (future blog fodder---no doubt)!

Harold, Colleen, it is one thing for people to discover that we have blue sky here, wait until they find out we have water too.  Maybe we better go back to lying about the rain?

Christy, want to see some really bad ones?

Melissa, I assume you mean my other blog?

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago

umm...you said this in reply to me earlier, I've just been too busy to get back timely.

Melissa, I don't know which one you are looking at, but some are better than others. I personally like this one.  I see a lot of these in this area and have yet to see any that were clogged.  I think in really really heavy rains a certain amount of run-by could be expected with all of the different brands.  I will try to do a blog on this soon.

 

03/03/2008 01:34 PM by Charles Buell, Seattle, WA, Home Inspector

Posted by HOPE Lending LLC about 4 years ago
Nice catch Melissa, senior moment on my part apparently:)  I had forgotten that I stuck that in there----just call me the spaceman.
Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago
Hey, no worries Charles.  A senior moment, huh.  You might want to check out My Living Will.  I wonder how many times I can wrack up 25 points commenting on your same blog?  lol
Posted by HOPE Lending LLC about 4 years ago
It still surprises me when I see unflashed barge rafters.  Lately I see it a lot on newer houses.  It used to be, around here, that if you were a roofer, flashed barges was the norm.  I think that the building boom in recent years brought a lot of people into the business that don't really understand water.
Posted by David Helm, Bellingham, Wa. Licensed Home Insp (Helm Home Inspections) about 4 years ago
I'm a atlanta inspector looking for linking partners.
Posted by KC Petty (Accurate Home inspection Atlanta) about 4 years ago

to be correct it is called a varge rafter not barge

Posted by Anonymous almost 4 years ago

To unknown commenter:)  Some areas refer to this rafter as a Varge Rafter----but most places it is refered to it as a Barge Rafter.  If you do a Wiki on Varge you get nothing but tons on Barge.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) almost 4 years ago

Interesting.... I was just going to ask about the varge/barge debate.  I had not made up my mind which was correct.  I usually call them rake rafters just to avoid confusion.

Good post and I like your pics.  I have been shrinking mine down but I think I will keep them big like yours.

Posted by Jim Allhiser Salem, Oregon Home Inspector (Perfection Inspection, Inc.) over 3 years ago

Jim, looks like you are digging around in the "archives":)  I think "rake rafters" works too.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 3 years ago

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