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Camponotus Vicinus

     Carpenter Ants are very common in the NW.  These ants belong to the largest genus (Camponotus) in the Family Formicidae.

     Worldwide there are over 1000 species of Carpenter Ants----not all are wood destroying but when they are, they can do a lot of damage to wood structures.  In North America there are about 20 species.  In the NW we have mainly two of concern:  C. Modoc and C. Vicinus.  The “C” stands for Camponotus---the genus.

     C. Modoc is pretty easy to recognize----these ants are pretty much all black and bigger than any other kind of ant you are likely to find in the NW.  Seeing these ants hanging out around your yard or in your home is always reason for concern and a Licensed Structural Pest Inspector should be consulted.  It is a really good idea to capture a specimen or two in a zip-lock bag to show the inspector when they arrive.

Ants in the window sill.

     C. Vicinus ants are a little more difficult to distinguish because they can vary from partially red and mostly black to mostly red and some black.  This coloration makes it easy to confuse them with Thatching Ants.  Thatching ants can be a nuisance but are generally considered beneficial in the environment.  These ants rarely invade homes but have been known to nest in wall cavities and other hollow structures of homes.

     Because Thatching Ants are not usually a concern in homes, when you see large ants streaming in and out of a home it is easy to think that they might be C. Vicinus, Carpenter Ants.  All species of Carpenter ants have a smooth “back” or dorsum----no dents or indentations that would indicate that it is some other kind of ant.  Seeing the notch on the dorsum of an ant requires some magnification----and difficult to determine with the naked eye.

     Here is a picture of some Thatching Ants that were found in a porch structure----there were hundreds of them streaming in and out of the opening under the floor boards.  Pretty easy to think they might be Carpenter Ants.

C. Vicinus

     If you look close though, at the back of the ant from the side, you can see clearly that the back is not smooth----it has a notch----consistent with being a Thatching Ant and not a Carpenter Ant. 

C. Vicinus

     This distinction makes a huge difference in protocols for treatment----even if any are necessary at all.

 

 

Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector

 

 

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31 commentsCharles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector • October 12 2010 10:39AM

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Thank you Charles - good post. Best, Gay

Posted by Gay E. Rosen (Houlihan Lawrence) over 1 year ago

What's up with that T & G decking? What is the material? And I like the ant pictures too.

Posted by Glenn Roberts - Seattle Residential (Lake & Company Real Estate) over 1 year ago

Gay, you are welcome

Glenn, it is old 5/4 VG Fir porch decking-----a little worse for wear :)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 1 year ago

Charles, I had my share of run-ins with piles of thatching ants as a child.   I'll let you keep getting the close-up photos, I've had enough already.  Thanks for the info.

Posted by Sam DeBord - Seattle Real Estate Broker (SeattleHome.com -Coldwell Banker Danforth) over 1 year ago

Very informational, great post.  Thankfully I don't run across many ants:)

Posted by Erika Rogers-St George Utah Real Estate 435-229-8801 relocatetosunnystgeorge.com (St George Utah & surrounding areas) over 1 year ago

Yuck - for both types of ants.  We had two instances where we had lots of carpenter ants and it turned out to be because they had infested some wet rotten wood.  I still remember the painter hurling the wood to the ground from the 2nd floor and seeing all the ants crawling inside it. 

Posted by Margaret Goss, Winnetka Realtor Winnetka & North Shore IL Homes for Sale (Baird & Warner Real Estate) over 1 year ago

I'm just curious...How do you get them in the ZipLock Bag?  Do you just ask them politely to enter or do you have to actually touch them?

Posted by Amy Hahn, REALTORĀ®, Crystal Coast, NC (Pine Knoll Shores Realty) over 1 year ago

Sam, hopefully your experience didn't have to do with climbing on a pile :)

Erika, thanks

Margaret---but they are so cute :)

Amy, now don't tell me you have a problem with touching them?  Actually if you hold the bag in their path you can usually get them to climb in on their own.  Get them to climb onto anything and then stick that in the bag.  I don't recommend sucking them up with a straw though :)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 1 year ago

Yes Charlie...I do have a problem with touching them!!!!  Just the thought of it  makes my skin crawl...

Posted by Amy Hahn, REALTORĀ®, Crystal Coast, NC (Pine Knoll Shores Realty) over 1 year ago

Charie,

Other than specimens, I have yet to find those guys on a site, only modoc and/or other black varieties.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 1 year ago

Amy, you just have to know where to grab them---how else are you going to get a saddle on them :)

Steve, yes---they don't seem as common in houses as modoc----had c. vicinus in a detached garage once

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 1 year ago

The ones at the top (Common Carpenters with their black coveralls) have decided to make a home for themselves in the maple in the front yard.  I have to do something to keep them from coming in to live with us very soon.

Posted by Jack Gilleland (Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton) over 1 year ago

Jack, they are a good critter to pay attention to for sure

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 1 year ago

Notch in the back, a thatching ant, smooth back, carpenter ant. We have black and red carpenter ants in Ct, no thatching ants.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 1 year ago

Have to watch those guys and gals they can sure cause damage.

Posted by CARL & CEIL WINTERS Canyon Lake/New Braunfels /San Antonio (Complete Inspection Service) over 1 year ago

Hi Charles, I think the most famous ant in NC is the fire ant.  They don't destroy wood, but if you happen to disturb an ant hill, you are in for a firestorm of ant stings.  Been there, done it, got the scars to prove it.  Thanks for the info on the ants of the NW.

Posted by Dale Ganfield (Peace of Mind Home Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

Charles......the best part of winter is there are no bugs running around.....

Posted by Barbara Todaro "Franklin MA Homes" (RE/MAX Executive Realty ) over 1 year ago

Charles, learned something about ants today. Very interesting and suggested. Thanks for the info!

Posted by Rebecca Gaujot, Realtor WV Real Estate in Greenbrier County (Coldwell Banker Stuart & Watts Real Estate) over 1 year ago

Charles - Those are the largest ants I've seen!  They look like they belong in a horror movie.

Posted by Myrl Jeffcoat (Real Living Great West Real Estate) over 1 year ago

Jim, here is a link to Connecticut Carpenter Ants you might enjoy :)

Carl & Ceil, for sure

Dale, you can keep your fire ants :)

Barbara, that seems to be true unless you have mild winters like Seattle

Rebecca, thanks

Mryl, they are indeed big

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 1 year ago

Hi Charles, This is very informative. I have seem the large carpenter ants before when I lived in Fla. They certainly can and do a lot damage.

Posted by San Diego Real Estate Voice authored by William Johnson GRI CRS e-Pro CDPE (RE/MAX Associates) over 1 year ago

Charles:  What an excellent post and so instructive.  I am going to check out the ants that around the house.  During the warmer temperatures ants are a real problem here in Ottawa.  I feel a little more informed on identifying if they are just a pest or a pest with a home structure problem.  Thanks.

Posted by Valerie Zinger (House Proud Ottawa-Ontario-Canada) over 1 year ago

Charlie,

Some of the best photos I have seen of vicinus came from Don Hester in Wenatchee.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 1 year ago

Do they help with thatched roof repairs?

Do they drive off the carpenter ants?

 

Posted by Jay Markanich - Northern VA Home Inspector (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 1 year ago

William, I have seen them in Florida as well----pretty big

Valerie, I am sure you have some varieties in Canada as well

Steve, you are right----great ones

Jay, that would be no and no---Croakster would be more help

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 1 year ago

Ants around my house just about make me crazy. I was on the warpath this spring to get rid of them.

Posted by Lizette Fitzpatrick - Lexington KY MLS - Kentucky Homes - Horse Farms (Lizette Realty - Lexington KY - Richmond KY) over 1 year ago

Lizette, but they are so tiny---how could they bug you? :)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 1 year ago

Since I began following your blogs I have learned a great deal.   But, no offense,  some of your photos are not very pretty!   :)

Posted by Connie King (CK Staging & Design, Sevierville, TN) over 1 year ago

Connie would that be mostly the pictures with bugs by any chance? :)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 1 year ago

BUGS, ANTS, ETC.    Yes!   Creepy crawlies of any sort.

Posted by Connie King (CK Staging & Design, Sevierville, TN) over 1 year ago

Connie----but they are my very favorite things to blog about :)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 1 year ago

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