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Just because this window “works”---it does not function as “intended.”

     Sometimes it seems that when one can’t tackle a problem “head-on” we must take a “side-ways” approach.

     Take a look at this ordinary vinyl sliding window in the following picture.  If we look at it we can see that things are not as they should be. 

Some days I can't tell up from down

     On the right hand side of the window, can you see those two little square openings?  Those openings are to let water out.  Now if the whole shed were to fill up with water----all the way up to these openings----I suppose they might be functional.

     On the other hand perhaps the window really needs to be hung as a single-hung window so that the drain holes are on the bottom where they belong.  In the next picture I have done a color overlay to show how the track was full of water because it could not drain out.

A cat watering trough?

     I guess this installation went “side-ways.”

Charles Buell

 

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28 commentsCharles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector • January 15 2010 09:59AM

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Sometimes the simples mistakes can cause the biggest problems. That is buyers need good inspectors. I imagine that many people would have seen the water but not known what the problem. Now I will know. Thanks for the post.

Posted by Mark Hall Homes for Sale Vancouver Washington (Elite Realty NW - Keller Williams, Vancouver Washington) over 2 years ago

... and yet a great way to take care of wayward flies.

Posted by Alan May, Coldwell Banker Realtor® Evanston, Illinois & Northern Suburbs (847.425.3779 almay@aol.com) over 2 years ago

I did notice the "weep holes" on the side there. But, since I couldn't see the bottom of the window, I just thought the manufacturer of that particular window had them on the bottom too.

See what happens when you "assume"!!!!?

Posted by Craig Rutman Raleigh/ Cary/ Apex area Realtor (Helping people in transition) over 2 years ago

Another reason to follow the manufacturer's instructions when installing a window.

Posted by Norma Toering Palos Verdes Homes in Los Angeles Area (REMAX Palos Verdes Realty Broker Associate Lic# 01147470) over 2 years ago

Good morning Charles,

An interesting post and it would seem a small issue that actually creates nightmares down the road. Since there is a warranty from the manufacture , likely voidable with incorrect installation, it would appear that you might have saved the day for the homeowners as well as the new Buyer you were ding the inspection. It is the small things, mostly unnoticed that saved the day! Good Job there and you earned your fee on just one error that can now be resolved with corrected installation.

Posted by San Diego Real Estate Voice authored by William Johnson GRI CRS e-Pro CDPE (RE/MAX Associates) over 2 years ago

Mark, yes----and you sould never see standing water in the track of the window

Alan---too true:)

Craig on a slider window it is more common to see them on the top----where it is just plain upside down----more rare to see them on the side

Norma---they probably never even looked at them even though they would have been stuck right on the glass:)

William, in almost 6 years of inspecting I have never NOT found the cost of the inspection in terms of issues at a property:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Charles.....another handyman, homemade job.....people would save money in the long run if they had a carpenter do the installation.....they could have purchased the right window....there are sliding windows....

Posted by Barbara Todaro "Franklin MA Homes" (RE/MAX Executive Realty ) over 2 years ago

Barbara---it is all just job security for me:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Good catch Charles, was this actually on a home or a garage shed type building?

Posted by Gerry Michaels GettysburgGerry (Studmuffin Media) over 2 years ago

Gerry, this window happened to be in the garage----one of the windows in the house---an actual slider---was installed upside down though:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Hey Charles, it looks good to me. Keep the rains,winds out, and what a great idea, ventilation opening on the side. LOL  ;0

Posted by Roy A. Peterson P.R.E.I. (Domicile Analysis of Texas) over 2 years ago

Charles, Cool overrlay.  That would be a strange single hung window. 

Posted by Jack Gilleland (Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton) over 2 years ago

Roy, LOL

Jack---you mean because it is on its side?

 

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

As you've been training me to look more closely I did pick up on the weep holes on the side, which I must assume not only keeps water from draining out the bottom, but increases the water-flow into the window area from the side. Perhaps this was intended as a passive water collection system. Was there a cistern underneath the garage floor?

Posted by Frank Kliewer over 2 years ago

Frank I am inclinded more torward Alan's idea in comment #2:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Hi Charles - my son is a window installer.  Maybe I will show him your post to see if he can pass the test and figure out what the problems are.

Posted by Jenny Kotulak (Broker RE/MAX Aboutowne Realty Corp., Oakville, Ontario) over 2 years ago

Jenny, I suspect he will know the difference:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Funny Charles - Well, at least it fits! LOL

Debi

Posted by Debi Boucher - "Realtor Showcase" Real Estate Photography/Virtual Tours ( Real Estate Showcase Photography) over 2 years ago

Charlie - I think you can just get into Photoscape or another program and just turn that picture so the window is up and down.

 

Problem solved.

Posted by Jay Markanich - Northern VA Home Inspector (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 2 years ago

Very funny!  :)  I found out about those little drain holes when the brilliant hurricane shutter installers put the sill of the hurricane shutters over those neat little drain thingies. A year and one very frustrated roofer later, we figured out why there was an intermittent leak: when the shutters were up, the water pooled in the windowsills and crept inside to do a runner through concrete... 

Posted by Shoshana Shay (St. Pete Realty) over 2 years ago

Debi, yup:)

Jay, now why didn't I thunk of that?

Shoshana, they indeed may good watering troughs

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

As always, I am happy to help!

http://photoscape.com/

Posted by Jay Markanich - Northern VA Home Inspector (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 2 years ago

wrong wayI found this newer window along with 2 or 3 others on this home. You can't tell from the photo, but this is a casement window. It replaced an awning window and it should also be an awning window. The installation was also less than setellar.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 2 years ago

James, yes the mechanisms are going to work a little funky for sure:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Good catch Charles!  You catches are frequently very enlightening! Keep up the good work and sharing!

Posted by Glen Kotulek-Austin Home Inspector, schedule online www.homecritiquepi.com (Home Critique Property Inspections LLC) over 2 years ago

Charlie - That's funny.  Looks like DIY job.

Posted by Carol Culkin, Dutchess County (Century 21 Alliance Realty Group ) over 2 years ago

Glen, thanks

Carol----me thinks so too

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Wow...really great collection of images.I found this blog really helpful and interesting.Thanks for sharing with us,keep it up.

 

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