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Smoke smoke smoke that cigarette . . . what’s the problem?

     I think most people agree that smoking is not the best thing for your health.

     Even most smokers agree.

     I have done posts  in the past about the effects that smoking has on homes and how it can literally destroy them, turning them into toxic waste dumps----with the walls all covered with a yellow toxic frosting of nicotine and soot.  Nicotine is a very toxic substance and in the quantities present on walls can be more deadly than smoking the cigarettes themselves.  While the smoker may long be dead and gone, their legacy may live on posing a health hazard to anyone having to clean up the mess later. For infants and small children this can be as deadly or damaging as lead----and yet it seems to be barely on the radar of most people’s concerns.

    This is a perfect example of what the absence of a little hype and the absence of bad press can do for an otherwise perfectly good problem.

     Sixty milligrams of nicotine (the amount in about 5 cigarettes) is enough to be lethal to an adult.  Historically the stuff created a lot of health problems when it was used as an insecticide.  That yellow cast you can see on a home’s walls is concentrated Nicotine----and should be treated with a great deal of respect.  It can be very difficult to clean up satisfactorily in some cases.  It does not wash off easily.  It does not paint over easily.  It can coat the inside of stud cavities if there is any air flow into the space.  It can make a serious mess of duct work.  The duct work of homes that have been heavily impacted by smoking will most likely need to be replaced---can you imagine trying to clean them?

     At an inspection the other day I found a great example of just how nasty this stuff can be in ductwork.  In the picture below, one can see the nice new shiny duct work that has been connected to the Nicotine Coated ductwork that runs throughout the home.

You'll wonder where the yellow went when you......

     Now put your feet up-----take a deep breath----and relax!

Charles Buell

 

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28 commentsCharles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector • January 14 2010 09:50AM

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So are you saying the yellow ductwork used to be the same color as the new ductwork?  If so...that is the grossest thing I have EVER seen! 

Posted by Karen Poss Realtor 256-366-6292 Search Florence Al Homes For Sale (Coldwell Banker Pinnacle Properties, Florence Alabama) over 2 years ago

Well done Charles "Commander Cody" Buell!

Your picture clearly illustrates the effects the smoke in that home had on the duct work.

Smoke and pet odor are two of the biggest reasons folks walk away from a home.

Posted by Craig Rutman Raleigh/ Cary/ Apex area Realtor (Helping people in transition) over 2 years ago

Karen, that is EXACTLY what I am saying:)

Craig----they are way bigger deal breakers than most inspectors:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Yuck! I imagine the new owners would be able to smell it while the furance is running.

Posted by Vince Santos Southeast Michigan Home Inspector (StepByStep Home Services LC) over 2 years ago

Vince you mean you don't want your nicotine "re-heated?"

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

I can't believe the Ick Factor that smoking adds to a home.  It can cost the smoker a huge amount of money and make the house take forever to sell.  Even smokers hate these places! 

Posted by Patricia Kennedy (Evers & Company Realtors) over 2 years ago

I have had people step into a house smell the cigarette smoke and walk right out the front door without even looking at the rest of the house.

Have you seen these advertised? Seen this advertised the other day, and thought how ridiculous...

   ez smoker

Posted by Janice MacMillan, ABR, SFR, CDPE~Military Relo. (ERA Joyner Realty) over 2 years ago

Patricia----and so much of this stuff merely gets painted over as opposed to removed.

Jan Marie, I do that with restaurants.  If I walk in the door and smell cigarettes----I am outta there:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Hi Charles...Wow!  All I can say is my duct work must still be shiny after 15 years of living here.  We built the house and no cigerattes have been smoked here.  Must remember that as a good selling feature if and when.

Kate

Posted by Kate Elim, Realtor® 540-226-1964 Selling Homes & Land at LAKE ANNA over 2 years ago

Gross.  I've seen homes where you could see where everything was hanging on the wall and the ceilings were stained with nicotine, but I never considered the duct work.  EWWWWWWW. 

Posted by Tammy Lankford/Broker Lane Realty Lake Sinclair-Central GA over 2 years ago

Kate---maybe houses need to come with throw away ducts----or take them with you ducts :)

Tammy click on my link to my earlier post to see a good picture of how bad walls can be.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Yuck! Who knew?

Debi

Posted by Debi Boucher - "Realtor Showcase" Real Estate Photography/Virtual Tours ( Real Estate Showcase Photography) over 2 years ago

Can you imagine what their lungs look like???

Posted by Michael Thornton - Nashville, TN area Home Inspector - 615.661.0297 (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.) over 2 years ago

Charles - Several years ago I remodeled a home for a heavy smoker. The formerly white ceilings looked like your ductwork, requiring special primer before they could be repainted. 

Posted by John Mulkey, Housing Guru (TheHousingGuru.com) over 2 years ago

Debi, don't you wish you didn't?

Michael----probably similiar:)

John, I know that it is accepted practice to paint over it----have done so many times myself---but when we do that it is still there----couldn't kids eat it the same way they might old lead paint chips?

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Yuck. I few months ago I went to a house that was loaded with smoke.  Didn't take me very long to get the heck out of there and say no to taking the listing. It was the worst I'd seen in over 20 years. Not to mention a unrealistic seller that thought he'd get 50K more than it was worth.  I would not wanted to look at his ductwork!

Posted by Anna 'Banana' Kruchten - Phoenix Real Estate Broker,CRS 602-380-4886 (Phoenix Property Shoppe) over 2 years ago

I am so happy that it is now illegal to smoke in all public places in Washington.  The only exception is the Native casinos since they are technically another country.  It's okay with me because I don't gamble.

Posted by David Helm, Bellingham, Wa. Licensed Home Insp (Helm Home Inspections) over 2 years ago

Anna, sounds like perhaps the seller has unrealistic expections for his health too:)

David it really is nice----and I don't gamble either---smoking/gambling----is their a difference?

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

And people wonder why they can't get rid of the smell in the house!

Posted by Jay Markanich - Northern VA Home Inspector (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 2 years ago

"This is a perfect example of what the absence of a little hype and the absence of bad press can do for an otherwise perfectly good problem."

That is such an accurate statement and can be applied to another "problem" much more common in homes, fiberglass insulation. The insulation manufactures are not all that different from the tobacco companies. They fund research that purports this stuff is safe. Sound vaguely familiar?

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 2 years ago

Jay, there is nothing like re-heated nicotine:)

James, I think you know I agree with you on this one:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Charles that is very very scary.  If only some people could see what they are doing to their children.

Posted by Jenny Kotulak (Broker RE/MAX Aboutowne Realty Corp., Oakville, Ontario) over 2 years ago

Jenny----as well as themselves-----but yes children are always the more vulnerable

 

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

That is a huge ick!  And the addicted smoker will deny this...?

Posted by Shoshana Shay (St. Pete Realty) over 2 years ago

Charles, do you think that in the future the normal required clean-up for a smoked-in house will be with white suits and masks.....like asbestos clean-up now?  LOL

Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, CRS, GRI, e-PRO Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) over 2 years ago

Shoshana----apparently:)

Barbara, probably not----there is actually more hard scientific evidence of the dangers of nicotine when compared to asbestos:)  (tongue firmly in cheek:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

The first home my wife and I purchase was the home of a heavy smoker.  The first winter our furnace was not working right and we had a tech out to look at it.  After about 10 minutes of looking he came into the living room, popped the thermostat off the wall and used his jack-knife to scape the nicotine off the contacts!  The furnace worked perfectly after that!  Pretty gross.

Posted by Jim Allhiser Salem, Oregon Home Inspector (Perfection Inspection, Inc.) over 2 years ago

Jim---I have heard that story as well---pretty gross

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

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