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More venting about vents in Seattle.

     Take a look at this picture.

     What is this capped pipe that is sticking out of this really nice roof?

Old vent through the roof

     I may never know what the “original purpose” of this capped pipe was----and it really doesn’t matter.  What it is today, is what matters.  It is complicated because, what it is today is not even what it is. 

     Confused?

     Me too----but I am used to it. 

     This capped pipe is “trying” to be a plumbing vent-----and doing a very lousy job of it.  That is the problem with “trying.”  Trying is a total waste of time, because trying never got any job done.  Doing” is always necessary to get any job done.

     On the attic side, this is what it looks like.

Plumbing vent that doesn't quite make it out of the attic

     This abandoned vent (of unknown original purpose) is not an appropriate termination for the plumbing vent.  It neither insures that sewer gases won’t find their way into the attic space, nor does it prevent vermin entry to the attic.  This is not a very difficult fix and can be done when the roof is replaced-----since the roof is obviously past its expected life.

 

 

Charles Buell

 

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The Human Rights Campaign

Mommy why do we have to have tetanus shots to visit Granny’s?

     Millie and Steve were fighting again.

     While they generally kept the “volume” of the fighting turned down----occasionally it was loud enough for the neighbors to hear.  In fact, their fighting was legendary in the neighborhood.

     You see----they had very different ideas of how to keep the squirrels and cats, that roamed the neighborhood, from attacking the birds they were trying to attract to the many bird feeders and bird houses they had installed around the property.  Steve had gotten very good at making these structures from left over bits of wood and items to be thrown in the trash----he had even sold a few on EBay.

     Steve’s approach was very direct.  He would dress in his finest Army Surplus garb and hide out in the bamboo thicket and wait----BB Gun cocked and loaded.  It was Millie that had to (all too frequently) deal with the complaints of the neighbors about broken windows----and kids with sore behinds.  It was Steve that had to deal with Millie when it was their windows that got “thwacked!”

Broken glass

     It didn’t seem to bother him that he was the one that was going to have to fix them----somehow it was worth it to see those furry bird-food-chomping squirrels, and bird-chomping cat-beasts go “ass over teakettle” out of the trees and off the fences-----especially when they would sometime drop into the Koi pond.

Cat and Squirrel Catcher

     It was ultimately Millie that succeeded in keeping them at bay. 

     One day while the carpet guys were out in the truck eating their lunch, taking a break from installing new carpet in the living room, she got an idea,  Steve had inadvertently stepped on the uncovered tack strip when he had come in from the bamboo to get more BB’s-----“eye-watering” for Steve----“light-bulb” moment for Millie.  She put on her gardening gloves and pilfered the carton of tack strip from the carpet guys and headed for the back yard.  (Hopefully the carpet guys had more tack strip in the truck.)

Carpet tack strip

     Necessity is the Grandmother of invention-----or so they say!

 

 

Charles Buell

 

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The Human Rights Campaign

I am watching you down there!

     This is so “twisted”----as my kids would say. 

     I mean, how is it that I am able to look down on myself without feeling down on myself?

     It is said, that the essence of who we are----is:  that part of us that is able to observe ourselves, observing ourselves.  Kind of like our own internal, kinky, 24/7, mini-cam in our mind’s eye.  We usually only have fleeting moments of this ability, and one of the difficult things to understand about it is that as soon as you become aware of it, you are once again not behind the camera.  But, when you are “in that moment,” it is a truly fulfilling experience----not unlike looking at a sunset, smelling a baby’s head, or eating a nice bowl of chicken noodle soup when you are sick.

     So how is it that I am able to look down on myself without feeling down on myself?

 

     I trust that when I look in the mirror in the morning I will know the answer.

 

 

I see you down there!

     And why would anyone put mirrors on their Bathroom ceiling anyway?

 

Charles Buell

 

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The Human Rights Campaign

Do you need extra $$$$$$$$ in these difficult times?

     Have you always wanted to own your own business? 

     Are you a self starter, with a lot of ambition and want to make tons of money? (Who doesn’t right?)

Chanel #5     Home Inspectors----do you need another ancillary service in these difficult times?  (NO additional tools required----merely a simple adaptor to the moisture meter you already have!)

     Well, I am here to introduce you to a brand new business opportunity! 

     COPSI Inc. will be selling franchises all over the country in the coming weeks.    

     If you get in on the ground floor you will be able to capitalize and monopolize on this incredible business opportunity by buying a huge regional franchise that can then be broken up into little franchises----sort of like a little pyramid scheme---except with a real chance of actually making some serious $GREEN$----without turning green----without going green! (International opportunities available soon!)

     You can not beat this opportunity with a stick!

     As soon as you buy into this business opportunity (all major credit cards accepted) you will be given a “password” where you will be able to take an “intensive” 15 minute online course (eat your heart out Andy Warhol).  You will learn everything to you need to know about this growing field to perform extensive OPS evaluations; and how to protect consumers from the very real dangers and health concerns associated with this problem.  You will then be able---at no extra charge----to take a very short online test that will fully qualify you as a Certified OPS Inspector.  After sucessfully completing the test you will receive (within 3 business days) a beautifully framed (behind real glass), “Certificate of Completion,” to proudly display on your home office wall.  You will also receive a box (via Snail Mail) containing your free moisture meter adaptor and promotional materials that includes books of matches with your Business Name & Loco (The entire COPSI course is printed in miniature on the inside cover----always handy in case you forget anything).

         So act NOW----please go to www.cpi.comonwhoareyoukidding and sign up now.  Hundreds of operators are going Nutsy waiting to take your call.  You can be part of the problem----or you can be part of the solution.  Remember there are millions of homeowners in need of this service.  You just never know when someone is going to stink up the place----YOU can be there to prevent some innocent home buyer from purchasing what could very well turn into an onerous and odorous nightmare.

    So act now----become a Certified Offensive Perfume Smell Inspector now.

Smellometer

 

 

Charles Buell

 

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The Human Rights Campaign

Stumped!

     I am not often stumped by things I find at an inspection.  It was particularly distressing to be stumped on a house that was only 432 sq ft! 

     I mean how difficult could it be?

     This cute little structure started out as a fishing cabin in 1921-----and now the structure leaves everyone fishing for answers----lots of answers----to lots of questions.  Aside from needing an all new foundation (because there was none in some areas), new floor structure (due to Anobiid Beetle damage) and a new roof (due to water damage to the roof structures); the home would still qualify as “cute.”

     Can one actually sell “cute” all by itself?

     Most of these issues, while problematic, did not really amount to Rocket Science, so what had me stumped?

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Charles Buell

 

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Wordless Wednesday in Seattle

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There is only one of me!

     ActiveRain adds a whole new meaning to, “When it Rains it pours.”  Most inspectors in my area are not very busy----or at least not as busy as they were two years ago.  Lots of inspectors have gone out of business Happy Seattle Home Inspectoror have had to put their construction tool belts back on.  This is certainly true for me, and as long as I don’t have to go take my hammer and chop-saw out of moth balls I am a happy camper.  I feel very fortunate that I have been fairly busy and right now I am very busy.

     Without ActiveRain I would have had to put my construction hard-hat back on months ago.   After more than 33 years of building, the: “been there, done that” principle is very strong.   When things get slow for agents-----the calls for inspections typically drops way off.  With a real presence on the internet, from persistently blogging on ActiveRain, people are finding me----and calling me-----for inspections.  This helps make up for the drop-off in calls from agents.

     Yesterday I got a call wanting to know if I would go to Splendora, Texas to do an inspection-----a little bit out of my range (even though I LOVE road trips)----not to mention that I am not licensed in Texas.  While this example is a little extreme it shows how blogging has a broad brush that paints your name all over the place and you just never know who that paint is going to touch.  So while something like this might amount to no more than “spam” it also represents “possibilities” that would not exist without the effort put into blogging.

     I used to think that being number one on Google would have to happen before I would see the kinds of results that I am seeing now.  The truth is that if I was number one on Google people might not call me as much.  Does anyone ever take the number one position seriously anymore?  Aren’t most people suspicious of how they got to that position?

    Aside from all of that----it is hard to be in two places at once----contrary to what some inspectors would like to think, a person can only do “X” amount of inspections and do them well.  Some people tell me that when that happens, I can expand and hire other inspectors.  I DON”T THINK SO! 

     I just had a buyer the other day that one of the first questions they wanted to know was whether I would be doing the inspection myself or would some “wannabecharlie” be doing it.  I replied---nope, there is only one of me.

 

 

Charles Buell

 

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The Human Rights Campaign

Break the mold!

     I know that MOLD is a four letter word, and only a few other things found during the course of a home inspection causes more angst for all parties involved.

Mold on stuff you don't want to know

     As inspectors, not only are we the ones that have to bring its presence to the attention of the buyers, but we also have to figure out some way to talk about it in the Inspection Report.

     In spite of the fact that if:

it “looks” like mold,

Mold on a wallis “wet” like mold,

conditions are “conducive” to mold,

it “smells” like mold,

it is “apparent” on surfaces known to love mold,

and it “barks” like mold----most inspectors are still reluctant to call it “MOLD.”  I am not sure exactly why this is the case----I guess due to the possibility that it might be some other sort of staining or condition that is not “actually” mold.  And, I could see where that would be a problem if the inspector says you have a huge mold problem and it turns out to be smoke from candles of dirt from brake linings being sucked into the house (found sometimes on houses really close to busy streets). 

     In general, knowing whether a particular fungal growth is actually mold or some other type of fungal growth, is not really all that important since the solution is pretty much going to be the same----fix the water issue and remove/replace/clean the affected materials as necessary.

     To give you an example of how difficult it can be to “language” the presence of mold, take a look at the following picture.

Mold on roof sheathing

     The white color on these roof boards is a light covering of mold or mold/like fungal growth.  What do I tell my buyer?  It is obvious that it a past condition.  How can I tell?  Take a look at the newer roof sheathing showing between the white boards.  There is no similar growth on this newer sheathing.  This is consistent with there being no growth since the sheathing was installed.  The roof was replaced at least 10 years previously as indicated by the overall condition of the roof shingles.

     There can be many reasons why this is no longer a problem and at the time of inspection the inspector may not be able to figure out all the “why’s,” and that is not as important as knowing that there hasn’t been a problem since the roof was replaced.  Perhaps the dryer used to vent into the attic.  Perhaps there were no vents in the roof previously.  Perhaps the roof no longer leaks.  Perhaps there had been flooding in the crawl space that had been fixed.  Who knows?

     So again what do I say to the buyer?  They want to know if it is a problem now----whether it is “dormant” or not----because after all----it is still present.  Aren’t those tiny little spores going to find their way into the home and ruin their lives?  No inspector can answer that question----because everyone responds to mold spores differently and there are lots of other variables----both physical and psychological.  Even Environmental Hygienists can’t really answer that question----but the lowly home inspector is expected to answer the question regardless. 

     I can tell the buyer that if moisture conditions are right the mold growth can come back to life.  I can tell them that there are circumstances where the mold will release spores whether dormant or not.  I can tell them that the likelihood of the spores finding there way into the indoor environment is not great---but could happen under some scenarios.  I can recommend that they not store things in the attic.  I can recommend cleaning and sealing of the affected areas by qualified persons.  I could recommend that they run like hell and never look back (personally I wouldn’t do that----but some inspectors might).  I could recommend further testing so that the testing company could tell them to fix the water issue and clean and seal the affected areas.

     Ultimately it is the buyer that will have to decide what is important to them, and how or whether they want to deal with the issue.

     It really is not much help that there is so much conflicting, misleading and downright erroneous information present on the web and in the media about molds in the environment.  It lends itself to a lot of hysteria, and where you have hysteria you have a growing industry that is just as virulent as the mold spores themselves.  What will create peace of mind in one buyer may not work at all for another.

     Another factor is that the buyer may not care about it and be willing to accept the Eighth Dwarf---Mouldy----sleeping quietly in the attic, but they may worry about what will happen when they go to sell the home.  What if they cannot find a buyer that feels the same way about their old friend “Mouldy” that they do.  They want to avoid feeling like “Dopy.”  In other words will this stuff that doesn’t matter to them affect the resale value of the house regardless?

     I wish there was an easy answer to the question----heck I would accept an easy question for the answer!  I seriously recommend that before anyone goes too far down the road of trying to answer this question, that they carefully read the work of Caoimhín P. Connell, Health Effects of Moulds (Molds): State of Knowledge.

     If nothing else---he does serious damage to the hysteria surrounding Mold----breaking the mold.

 

 

Charles Buell

 

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The Human Rights Campaign

Sometimes I have to vent----sometimes the furnace and water heater have to vent.

     This is another one of those posts about why even New Homes need to be inspected.

     Take a look at the picture below.  Note how convoluted the run of the vent pipes are from the water heater and the furnace.  There is nothing about the installation of vent pipes from gas appliances that requires them to look like spaghetti, in fact, the shortest runs with the least number of bends is desirable.

Convoluted venting

     It is difficult to see in this picture, but it is not possible to remove the furnace filter because it runs into the vent pipe.

The filter won't slide out captain!

     To make a long story short, I called to have the venting repaired so that the water heater would vent better and that changing the furnace filter would be possible.  In this next picture we can see the “repair,” by the licensed heating contractor, did improve the venting of the water heater by eliminating the long bending run to the point of attachment.

Improved water heater venting

     But,----once again it was not possible to remove the filter without pushing the vent pipe out of the way.

I STILL can't slide the filter out captain!

     It just made me want to vent!

 

 

Charles Buell

 

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The Human Rights Campaign

Home sweet home is for the birds!

     Insulated covers that are designed to cover outside faucets are very common.  It seems that the word about these covers has gotten out so well, that most people think that all outside faucets should have them.  I find that I am just as likely to see them on faucets that are “frost-free,” as I am to find them on outside faucets that can freeze.

     In modern construction all outside faucets are required to be frost-free type and have an anti-siphon component as well.  In this first picture we can see a cover that is poorly installed and that will not protect the faucet from freezing at all-----and this is a type that needs protecting. 

Insulated cover for an outside faucet

     Installing these covers on faucets that do not need them will not likely create any real problem other than annoy the inspector that has to take them all off to test the faucets----and be a waste of money and natural resources.  Some of these covers can take a couple of minutes to get off and a couple of more to get them back on.  This is not a fun part of the inspection when it is 20 degrees outside.  Some of them have cinch type attachments that make removal and installation very easy.

     While the previous picture does nothing for the faucet and possible freezing of pipes, it did make a wonderful home for some lucky birds.

 

Bird nest inside the insulated cover

 

Charles Buell

 

 

 

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